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Egzoset wrote:
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...spider mites are capable of "diapause"...

At this point i'd ask this simple question: does ozone "bombing" or else kill every single spider mite including their yet-to-hatch eggs??

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i've never ozone bombed but i do run a ozonator in my tent for smell. people say it kills insects, mold, bacteria, people (if you breathe high levels of it long enough) , pets, i think pollen??(not sure), and smells . it also has short live span, 45mins maybe and then all smells return. i run my on timer when i'm at work and vent outside but you need to careful with it because it's dangerous stuff. I also run an ozonator in my hot tub and know people who use in hydro grows but its hard on all rubber seals and glued connections and major leaks accure all the time.

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Found same thing in my groom…. Week 3 of flower, I think I’m gonna get some ninja bugs to go fuck em up https://www.dragonfli.co.uk/blogs/news/ ... o-use-them
This stuff is great and I think it's sorted. I used Canna Cure initially, the large NL5 plant was mainly affected on two branches so I think I caught it in time. Harvested and it's curing now and under inspection there were no mites in the buds.

This left the veg tent (I'd taken cuts of the NL5 as I've been keeping this cut for almost two years) which of course had brought the little buggers into this tent.

More canna cure, then 1000 predator mites from dragonfli and I cannot find mites anywhere.

Both tents got bleached so I think I'm over the worst of it. Famous last words but everything is getting monitored closely.

Many thanks for all the posts and advice. Looks like the pre 89NL5 is preserved! :thanks:
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Good to hear you got rid of those spider mites bro
Had once they suck to get rid off

anyways good luck

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So little update on mine I sprayed soap water for like 4 days thought I got ride of them .... but nope than I sprayed with water and rubbing alcohol and than I got some other stuff that's for actual plants in flower for spider mites.... my plant looks sick almost just think cause of the reveg than spider mites.... now here is a question so I have three of my outdoors almost side by side but the mites are only on 1 ... now do they like certain strains more ? I know it sounds stupid however there only on one its actual quite surprising @Keeno @TTL @2-Scoops you guys have any idea why it's just on the one I mean theres not allot maybe a few on each leaf keeping them at bay just wondering why it's not on the other 2 ?
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So little update on mine I sprayed soap water for like 4 days thought I got ride of them .... but nope than I sprayed with water and rubbing alcohol and than I got some other stuff that's for actual plants in flower for spider mites.... my plant looks sick almost just think cause of the reveg than spider mites.... now here is a question so I have three of my outdoors almost side by side but the mites are only on 1 ... now do they like certain strains more ? I know it sounds stupid however there only on one its actual quite surprising @Keeno @TTL @2-Scoops you guys have any idea why it's just on the one I mean theres not allot maybe a few on each leaf keeping them at bay just wondering why it's not on the other 2 ?
@GMO could shed more light I’m sure, but from what I understand bugs/pests/whatnot don’t attack healthy plants. So, maybe that one plant was just a bit less healthy and didn’t have as strong of a defense as the others.
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Re: Spider Mites Week 6 of Flower....

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TTL wrote:
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So little update on mine I sprayed soap water for like 4 days thought I got ride of them .... but nope than I sprayed with water and rubbing alcohol and than I got some other stuff that's for actual plants in flower for spider mites.... my plant looks sick almost just think cause of the reveg than spider mites.... now here is a question so I have three of my outdoors almost side by side but the mites are only on 1 ... now do they like certain strains more ? I know it sounds stupid however there only on one its actual quite surprising @Keeno @TTL @2-Scoops you guys have any idea why it's just on the one I mean theres not allot maybe a few on each leaf keeping them at bay just wondering why it's not on the other 2 ?
@GMO could shed more light I’m sure, but from what I understand bugs/pests/whatnot don’t attack healthy plants. So, maybe that one plant was just a bit less healthy and didn’t have as strong of a defense as the others.
Ahhhh well that kinda actual makes sense the plant where taking about started flowering early and than went into reveg ....it just kinda looks sick actual bud smells great but just looks like a Charlie brown tree. Thanks for the info I havent had mites before that I noticed but this grow outside I have learned allot as to how deep the soil is and the overgrown trees this year was just shocked as it was the only one affectedImage
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Re: Spider Mites Week 6 of Flower....

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Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:21 pm
So little update on mine I sprayed soap water for like 4 days thought I got ride of them .... but nope than I sprayed with water and rubbing alcohol and than I got some other stuff that's for actual plants in flower for spider mites.... my plant looks sick almost just think cause of the reveg than spider mites.... now here is a question so I have three of my outdoors almost side by side but the mites are only on 1 ... now do they like certain strains more ? I know it sounds stupid however there only on one its actual quite surprising @Keeno @TTL @2-Scoops you guys have any idea why it's just on the one I mean theres not allot maybe a few on each leaf keeping them at bay just wondering why it's not on the other 2 ?
Sorry for delay in reply @Wayne36. There is study to the fact that a healthy plant cannot become infested with pests, it can fight them off. I don't believe this myself but maybe what your saying about certain strains could be an answer. Strains are not the wild plants they once were. They are effectively pure bred for lack of a better term. Hand selected for certain traits. What I'm getting at is in a dog breed that's pure bred there are health issues more than a good old mongrel. I do not believe a healthy plant cannot be infested. But I could believe and am after reading your comment that strains could be so used to being in tip top conditions for years, hand selected, basically pampered and spoilt by us growers or the breeder breeding them, that it may have a negative effect on the plants immune system or ability to fight off pest in the first place.

Thete was a king in the UK hundreds of years ago who desperately needed a male heir. When he finally had a son he was so scared of him getting sick that he cocooned him, had the servants scrub the palace everyday, wouldn't let his boy play in rivers, mud. This had a negative effect, the first big the boy came into contact with killed him. He had built no immune system.

Are we doing this with our plants? Interesting question for sure. Not a individual grower. But as a whole and in general to cannabis....

Real interesting train of thought Wayne and one I'm gonna try look into.
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Re: Spider Mites Week 6 of Flower....

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TTL wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:22 pm
Wayne36 wrote:
Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:21 pm
So little update on mine I sprayed soap water for like 4 days thought I got ride of them .... but nope than I sprayed with water and rubbing alcohol and than I got some other stuff that's for actual plants in flower for spider mites.... my plant looks sick almost just think cause of the reveg than spider mites.... now here is a question so I have three of my outdoors almost side by side but the mites are only on 1 ... now do they like certain strains more ? I know it sounds stupid however there only on one its actual quite surprising @Keeno @TTL @2-Scoops you guys have any idea why it's just on the one I mean theres not allot maybe a few on each leaf keeping them at bay just wondering why it's not on the other 2 ?
@GMO could shed more light I’m sure, but from what I understand bugs/pests/whatnot don’t attack healthy plants. So, maybe that one plant was just a bit less healthy and didn’t have as strong of a defense as the others.
I see this after I posted my above reply. I don't see this tbh. If a grower has mites or another infestation then every plant will get it. Some more than others maybe but I can't see it being due to a plant being sick being the only reason. I've known growers to suffer with mites, get them under control, then they come back. This would mean thst every plant the grower is growing back to back must be sick or unhealthy for long periods of time. I like the train of thought but it can't be right in my head.

I do think @Wayne36 suggestion of strains could be something. Some strains may just have a weaker immune system due to the selective breeding. If a plant is sick it will increase a plants inability to fight off. But a plant bring unhealthy being the sole cause...
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Imma try avoid the immune to pest discussion for now. But 100% pests start with the easiest target; that can mean the least healthy of a chosen crop or that can mean attacking "weeds" in a grow area and not a main crop.

That's not to say they wont spread to healthy crops bit 100% start with the immune comprised first. This can be as small as minor stress from heat, wind or just slightly under or over watered.

Think of it like a persons immune system, when we are in tip top shape a cold or flu may infect us but we have the ability to fight off the infection before symptoms start to show. But if your slightly immune comprised by something tiny like having been out on the beers at the same time, an infection becomes more prevalent

Then we can get onto proactive repellents like peppermint, rosemary and neem oils which help keep pests from being attracted to potentially immune comprised plants and then if they are already there, have an active defensive role as the oils block pests spiracles (holes on their body where gases are exchanged), suffocating them.... plants in the highest tier of plant health also have the ability to create secondary metabolites which protect and defend the plant itself.

I agree with keeno that not all plants appear to have the defensive tool to deal with some pests.... in my experience, if I have even a minor pest issue my plants product a heavy lemon profile. These terps in particular have the ability to dissolve pests that come in contact with high concentrations

Check out; advancing eco agriculture's plant health pyramid for more on this and how the higher levels of plant health can be achieved

Hope that's some help

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I totally agree with a predator of any kind attacking the weakest of the group first.

I've see a few bits about this on social media of late, healthy plants not being able to be affected by pest. I just can't see how some growers, especially in areas like sheds, lofts etc, can be growing sick plants as much as they must be for this to be the case. And to be doing back to back for long periods of time.

I think if I have perfectly healthy robust plants and I visit a friend who has a mite issue, or introduce a clone that has them, my healthy robust plants will become dinner as well.

Yes, it may take longer for them to take hold in a healthy groom. But they will none the less unless something intervenes, like us with pest control.

I can see how a plant in a natural setting, in its native area may be able to fight off pests much more effectively. A rose bush that's in perfect health in my back garden for an example. But I really do think this is a genetic thing more than anything else. I'm really interested in this and will have a read up.
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I totally agree with a predator of any kind attacking the weakest of the group first.

I've see a few bits about this on social media of late, healthy plants not being able to be affected by pest. I just can't see how some growers, especially in areas like sheds, lofts etc, can be growing sick plants as much as they must be for this to be the case. And to be doing back to back for long periods of time.

I think if I have perfectly healthy robust plants and I visit a friend who has a mite issue, or introduce a clone that has them, my healthy robust plants will become dinner as well.

Yes, it may take longer for them to take hold in a healthy groom. But they will none the less unless something intervenes, like us with pest control.

I can see how a plant in a natural setting, in its native area may be able to fight off pests much more effectively. A rose bush that's in perfect health in my back garden for an example. But I really do think this is a genetic thing more than anything else. I'm really interested in this and will have a read up.
Yeah its a very divisive topic the whole "too healthy to get attacked". the concept is that if plants are completing photosynthesis that there arent sugars (the food for lower classes) if they are completing the formation of protiens then they are no longer a food for medium class and if they have aggressive secondary metabolites that they would no longer be a food source for higher predators

im not sure how true this is, but it makes alot of sense. Not being a visually unhealthy plant but a plant having or not having the food source a type of insect needs would in my mind clearly define whats food and whats not. IE brix measure to know which category a said plant falls into at any given time

if brix can be raised for a period of time, pest can become "candied" by taking in more sugars than they can digest and die on the spot
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higher predators
What does this term mean?
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Keeno wrote:
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higher predators
What does this term mean?
Things like grass hoppers and locust. things that are chewing the cellulose and lignin rather than piecing for sap
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Yea not sure if it was either sick maybe dying 🤷‍♂️ could be strains it's a possibility but like I said I have two in the same garden side by side and didnt see any on them I'll try looking again today to see if theres any on on the other two again maybe I am missing them but they definitely on the one in the pic not infested but they are there havent checked in a few day so I will again
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Thank you everyone for replying to the thread it's and interesting topic.

For what it's worth, the old school NL5 cut that came back to me infected was this huge tree of plant in a 10ltr pot and it wasn't the happiest plant and I should have noticed something was wrong.

Adding this to my 2 x 4 flowering tent in the loft and it was only this plant that remained affected whereby an old school and very healthy NL5 plant next to it was unaffected.

I took two cuts and put them in a 2 x 2 veg tent with some Guerilla Fume (Lucky Dog) and a HashplantD (Bodhi) before I realised there was a problem.

Opened the veg tent one morning to find strands of web between the plants (apparently how they move from plant to plant).

After predator mites, spraying etc. all is clear but they definitely moved to the other healthy plants with a vengance. The HasplantD is now in flower and stretching nicely but I'm still spraying occasionally and will continue for a few more weeks.

I'm convinced (anecdotally) that the health of the HasplantD has pulled it through (that or Bodhi's good vibes). The Guerilla Fume is a finicky plant and a right pain to dial in, but these seem to have pulled through ok. Just proves that hammering them with everything and bleaching the tent may have saved the day.

Just a note, but if using predator mites you cannot obviously spray canna cure or similar as it will kill them too. You have to wait about 5 days after using them.

Also found out that if you keep an untidy tent with dust and soil on the floor, then the little buggers love to live in there also.
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Hi there,

According to Google, diapause is "animal dormancy" serving as protection against frequent adverse environmental conditions, during development. Hence the ultimate goal being to produce more eggs.

So i gather the "adversity" needs to be made multi-factorial, in hope the nuisible insects won't be tempted to settle back in to begin with...

One text, as i recall, seemed to revolve around avoidance of UVA in fear of UVB. That's possibly one factor i find particularily well suited for the purpose of fighting spider-mites, and perhaps a few others, starting with glandular trichome boosting.

Personally i've theorized that low-concentration Colloïdal Silver sprays close to 1 ~ 3 ppm might not suffice to trigger some phyto-hormonal/ethylene-based (sex) function, which would be counter-productive in a context where female plants are the main source of noble molecules (and no pollen for autofem seed production is required). Alternately, my reasoning was that maybe vegetation wouldn't suffer too significantly from exposure to CS if it's immediately followed by a generous wash 'n rinse procedure performed within a "safe" period, which of course was more subject for experimentation, but i expected a maximum returns range near 5 ~ 6 minutes, so... The plan was to kill eggs with CS within such relatively brief moment (on a vegetal scale) while also stressing uninvited guests until the rest of them chooses not to return ever again.

UVA would be less stressful for plants but i just don't know for sure if that will even change the insect's behaviour. You can safely bet i still wonder, but that was in a time when i still intended to home-grow for a hobby, an eldersone to be exact - which implied i wouldn't do it at the cost of any agravation because it was supposed to be a pleasant/convenient source of serenity - actually i had started to think of a custom-built cultivation space on wheels for that specific purpose. The closet would have looked as some breed between a solar bath and a dish washer! With an internal satellite allowing plants to leave that space and collect natural photons behind a large sunny window. With an option to return under artificial lights during cloudy days. Etc., etc.

Anyway IMO the capacity to diapause is a limited resource, so the trick would be to stress them a max and still avoid hurt the plants. My guess is The Borg can't afford to remain dormant forever.

For such a challenge i envisioned UV lamps operating (on a timer) in brief bursts not long enough to damage vegetal tissue.

Assuming any maximum-returns replicable combination of CS concentration & spray duration even exists my plan used to be about a mix of insect-stressing agents as those. Perhaps with the benefit of a few more, to push a bit further...

Just account for their resilience residing in the diapause state plus the eggs; i kept a vague impression the exceptional survival adaptation had something to do with slowing down their metabolism, in turn reducing intake from the environment until adversity gets effectively inhibited.

The mentions of predatory species makes a lot of sense except there's going to be micro-poop from digested spider-mite bodies. Well, lets admit at that point it's simply too late, but anything slowing them down without hurting cannabis production would seems like a fair solution candidate to me and i recall mentioning colder temperature too, so that makes 3 stress vectors for the critters.

So far ozone and plant health added to the soup. So, it's starting to form an arsenal and that raises the matter of Integrated Pest Management.

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Tictok wrote:
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Found same thing in my groom…. Week 3 of flower, I think I’m gonna get some ninja bugs to go fuck em up https://www.dragonfli.co.uk/blogs/news/ ... o-use-them
This stuff is great and I think it's sorted. I used Canna Cure initially, the large NL5 plant was mainly affected on two branches so I think I caught it in time. Harvested and it's curing now and under inspection there were no mites in the buds.

This left the veg tent (I'd taken cuts of the NL5 as I've been keeping this cut for almost two years) which of course had brought the little buggers into this tent.

More canna cure, then 1000 predator mites from dragonfli and I cannot find mites anywhere.

Both tents got bleached so I think I'm over the worst of it. Famous last words but everything is getting monitored closely.

Many thanks for all the posts and advice. Looks like the pre 89NL5 is preserved! :thanks:
So glad it worked mate!! In the end I just brought a hot shot bug repellent thing and seems to have worked:) it kills anything that moves lol but don’t use if in organic as @GMO will comfirm it ruined his soil as it killed worms I take it haha
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Stickylemonz wrote:
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Tictok wrote:
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Found same thing in my groom…. Week 3 of flower, I think I’m gonna get some ninja bugs to go fuck em up https://www.dragonfli.co.uk/blogs/news/ ... o-use-them
This stuff is great and I think it's sorted. I used Canna Cure initially, the large NL5 plant was mainly affected on two branches so I think I caught it in time. Harvested and it's curing now and under inspection there were no mites in the buds.

This left the veg tent (I'd taken cuts of the NL5 as I've been keeping this cut for almost two years) which of course had brought the little buggers into this tent.

More canna cure, then 1000 predator mites from dragonfli and I cannot find mites anywhere.

Both tents got bleached so I think I'm over the worst of it. Famous last words but everything is getting monitored closely.

Many thanks for all the posts and advice. Looks like the pre 89NL5 is preserved! :thanks:
So glad it worked mate!! In the end I just brought a hot shot bug repellent thing and seems to have worked:) it kills anything that moves lol but don’t use if in organic as @GMO will comfirm it ruined his soil as it killed worms I take it haha
It almost worked! There must have been some eggs missed because the buggers returned in small numbers.

2000 predator mites have just landed so I don't think they stand much of a chance.
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Although it's a bit late for asking, how tall the cotyledons??

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Although it's a bit late for asking, how tall the cotyledons??
Not sure what you mean bro, as in when they were seedlings?

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